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<description><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have experience testing a patient for FA or ICG allergy with the skin test (or another test...)?</p><p>A little background: &nbsp;A patient had a FA/ICG and had a severe reaction. &nbsp;The physician is considering continuing with ICGs to help guide treatment. &nbsp;I would like to determine which dye she had the reaction from before continuing with ICGs. &nbsp;</p>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<P>Hey Sarah,</P>
<P>The skin test for fluorescein sodium is a poor test - because the pH is so high, the skin is bound to react with pain, redness and inflammation,&nbsp;and a sub-cu deposit of fluoresecein will raise a welt just as TB tests do.</P>
<P>Per the literature, there is a MUCH greater chance of allergy to fluorescein than ICG.&nbsp; The Iodine in ICG, which is nearly always considered the culprit in an allergic reaction,&nbsp;is not even a complete molecule, only an iodide (iodine ion).&nbsp; I am certain you already asked if the pt had allergy to shellfish which are high in iodine.</P>
<P>I would think that ruling out allergy to ICG would be the better way to go.&nbsp; A skin test for ICG will not be as painful or reactive, I don't think, as injecting fluorescein into the skin.&nbsp; Based on what you said the Tx plan was, if ICG appears safe, then your physician could proceed with using it as efficaciously as possible.&nbsp; </P>
<P>Since you work at a major academic medical center, I'll bet you have a drug review panel, "Ask a pharmacist" type entity,&nbsp;that could help you design a safe path to rule out the culprit.&nbsp; If you do so, we would ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY want to know what their recommendations would be!</P>
<P>Hope this helps,</P>
<P>Paula</P>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>I feel for your rapid response Madam Paula, especially after your 'full blown code' from last fall that you shared with us on the website.</p><p>In our office, I've only had an opportunity to test a patient with a 'questionable FA' dye allergy.&nbsp; For this experiment, I put a small amount of FA dye on a band aide, and put it on the patients skin.</p><p>Then, shot my Colors, and RF's, and let the patient relax a bit, amongst their already high tension of emotions.&nbsp; Within 10-12 minutes, we took off the band aide, and looked at their skin.&nbsp; There was no reactivity, and so, she signed her consent form, and off we went.</p><p>Of note, and I'm no expert, regarding the ICG content of Iodine, of course we all know it is used as a preservative and not a component of the dye itself.&nbsp; I'm sure you did your due diligence, and asked the patient if they had a 'seafood' allergy, and they probably responded no.&nbsp; Nonetheless, it is in such micro molar amounts that it probably wouldn't have elicited a response, in this concentration, and hopefully your sentiments are the same. </p><p>Please let us know what your pharmacy department at UNC says, and I'll check in on this thread periodically.</p><p>&nbsp;Thanks,</p><p>Jim </p><p><br></p>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>I have only had one bad reaction to ICG in twenty years. The patient became hypotensive and unconscious after complaining of chest pain. Nice trip to the ER. It is your best bet that it was not the ICG. I have tried skin tests with FA, but had no success. </p><p>Depending on the reaction if it was severe hives, I would premed the patient with 25-50mg PO of Benadryl about 30minutes prior to FA. Some doctors would write a script for steroids and have them start it the day before the test.</p><p>In the clinic, I premed for previous reactions with 25mg IV Benadryl diluted with 2-4cc of sterile water. IV Benadryl tends to cause the arm to ache if not diluted well. I leave the IV line in for the full 5+ minutes of the test incase in need to add an additional 25mg IV Benadryl. I have had patients that cannot have FA due to severe reaction that causes itching in the mouth or throat. I will not perform a FA if this has happened. I have had good success with premed for itching and hives.&nbsp;</p><p>We do have those patients that have severe vomiting every time they have an FA. Nothing will prevent it. I have tried antiemetics, Benadryl, and reducing the dose of the FA to 1cc. No matter what they violently vomit. They are far and few between. </p><p>Most that have had nausea and vomiting, tend to do well with me giving them 2.5cc of FA dye slow with a 10 to 15 second push. It reduces the severity of nausea or prevents it all together.&nbsp; This works well with the Spectralis camera, but may not work for most fundus cameras.</p>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Sarah, any advancement the past few years in this?<br /><br />Paula, what if the subcutaneous injection were performed at the same dilution rate that would be experienced at about 2 minutes?  It wouldn't be the straight 10% or 25%, as such, the PH would still be "off", but would less volume of intensity from being diluted make the difference?<br /><br />In the past I've found taking 5ml of sterile water and adding it to 2.5ml of 10% sodium fluorescein didn't provoke the same response in patients who had a previous experience with nausea from the test.  It could be partly that injecting that volume takes longer, and deliberately I pushed slower.  <br /><br />More recently I've also used just 1.25ml of 10% on the Optos and turned out good results on a patient who had vomited from 5ml of 10% a few years prior.  <br /><br />A challenge with these nausea cases, they may not always be true allergic responses, but physical manifestations of mental responses.  In those situations, perhaps something from the mental health physician side of things may be helpful?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[No update.  We lost both the patient and the physician to follow up :-)  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,<br />
I too am curious as to any possible acute allergy testing for FA/ICG dye. Personally, I've only had 1 experience with a 'life threatening' reaction. Had a patient who coded 90 seconds post inj. That was the day I found out why it's called a code blue, the patients face turned a definitive cobalt color. Scariest day ever in the retina clinic. Fortunately we got him back. This might be a dumb question, but would it be possible to detect a Fluorescein allergy by instilling an exaggerated (5-6 drops) Fluress dose in the patients eye to produce a systemic “bolus” of fluorescein entering the blood stream? Not sure if the dosage would be sufficient to induce an allergic reaction, but possibly show symptoms if there is a potential life threatening allergy to fluorescein? Just spitballing. :)</p>]]></description>
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<div class="ForumQuote"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Originally posted by S. Lusk:</span><br />
<p>Hi all,<br />
I too am curious as to any possible acute allergy testing for FA/ICG dye. Personally, I've only had 1 experience with a 'life threatening' reaction. Had a patient who coded 90 seconds post inj. That was the day I found out why it's called a code blue, the patients face turned a definitive cobalt color. Scariest day ever in the retina clinic. Fortunately we got him back. This might be a dumb question, but would it be possible to detect a Fluorescein allergy by instilling an exaggerated (5-6 drops) Fluress dose in the patients eye to produce a systemic “bolus” of fluorescein entering the blood stream? Not sure if the dosage would be sufficient to induce an allergic reaction, but possibly show symptoms if there is a potential life threatening allergy to fluorescein? Just spitballing. :)</p>
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"...would it be possible to detect a Fluorescein allergy by instilling an exaggerated (5-6 drops) Fluress dose in the patients eye to produce a systemic “bolus” of fluorescein entering the blood stream?"<br />
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I don't think so, if the idea is for sodium fluorescein (S.F.) to enter the eye via drops then it should enter that way when we apply S.F. to the cornea to check for corneal abrasions.<br />
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Similarly when drinking the dye the body doesn't seem to present as much into the blood stream as it does through intravenous injection.&nbsp; I think like most things when drunk, the body takes what it needs, but only a portion ends up in the blood stream.<br />
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I've seen with a few patients who were allergic and had a known allergy that the dye can be diluted either with the patients own blood by drawing back extra into the syringe, tipping the syringe back and forth maybe 2x, then injecting...&nbsp; Or the dye can be diluted with an equal amount of sterile water, for example 2.5ml of 10% sodium fluorescein added to 2.5ml sterile water.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
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Whenever we have a high risk for allergic response we usually inject a smaller amount, so maybe 1.25ml, and I generally inject a little more slowly.&nbsp; The transit takes a little longer, and there's a slower fill, but the overall gives you the same story, and I've not seen an allergic response from those who had a response previously.&nbsp; Now, that being said, the response these specific patients had was just nausea&nbsp;and vomiting.&nbsp; I have nothing to show one way or another if it would reduce risk for a life threatening response.</span>]]></description>
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